Somebody tell me..tell me tell me please, that what afterall do they want of me?
Aakhir chahte kya ho logon...ichha kya hai aapki? Maksad kya hai aapka?
Ho kaun aap?
Exactly the question...who are you?
Truly speaking, nobody..because nobody owns up, but everybody does...When 'everybody' is responsible, then actually 'nobody' is responsible, because it could be anybody, but everybody assumes it's somebody else.
No, I'm not being cryptic.
This is a fact.
Everybody is asking themselves, and their respective solitudes the same question these days...because we are all feeling lost at some level in a world that has EVERYTHING, yet increasingly, NOTHING.
Cheezein kitni asani se pointless ho jati hain?
For the last three days, this link has been doing the rounds, and everybody seems to be surprised/shocked/angry/hurt/scared/outraged by this, and quite rightly so. Except the media perhaps, which is shamefully enjoying the controversy, and encashing the scoop. Sure enough, TOI sucks, but worse, the attitude, their and ours, SUCKS.
We feed the media, and media feeds us...We all eat crap. The only difference is that they get paid for this!
Yes, what happened with the student was unfortunate, and as BD rightly pointed out there has been too much of unfair and traumatic publicity. At one level, you cant help but call the student foolish-you cant deny both his fault as well as weakness that led to the suicide. Degree extension is not such a rare thing! Yes it hurts, but he should be strong. Worse things can happen in life, and it wasn't as if none of it was his doing. But that's not what I want to get into. No, not even the media. I'm in too caustic a mood to give them a fair hearing.
I'm fed up with THE MESSAGE that comes out of episodes like this.
Think about the common man- the layman whoknows nothing about IIT system except what he reads in the newspapers. He's now been presented a picture of aj ki bigadti hui generation yet again, with amazingly foolish soundbites from some profs, and a convincing representation of how IITians waste public money on ONLY useless surfing in the "best" institutions of the country.
(I am wondering how much time is it now gonna take for IITB admin to shut down their LAN; they already did that here some months back, so maybe now they'd remove internet access in hostels or something like that!)
Ritesh has very rightly pointed out the futility of the attendance rule.
At one level, it's not totally stupid, because there are enough lazy careless people around who would never attend a class if they didnt HAVE to, and the 'academics' would really suffer. Their argument is that someone who's intelligent enough to be in any college(inc ALL COLLEGES-it's not easy to enter anywhere these days), will, if made to sit in the class, grasp something and learn something.
But thats where the imagination stops...because be realistic, kitni classes hum sab sote hue bitate hain. We're experts at sleepin with open eyes! Mental presence is far more crucial than physical presence. So while there has to be an effort to ensure attendance, this is NO WAY fof implementing it.
I have a prof, no I have so many profs, who just can't TEACH. They know their subjects all right, but teaching is a different art...
I ask him a doubt, he'd "appreciate" my question and give a 5-minute lecture answering something totally different.
If 'he' can't understand my question, how am I expected to understand the ones that he asks in the examination!!?!?!
I think this is class-class ki kahaani now!
To ismein bachon ki kya galti agar woh class na jayein to?
Still, we tolerate, we go to classes, but it's impossible to expect us to attend ALL of them..
Tuition fee is the amount you pay for per-semester torture services!
But life ka stress level to dekho koi..
Class, oops torture jhelo....exams assignments etc crap jhelo...parents ki suno teachers ki suno, and friends ki suno.
Aur masti bhi to karni hoti hai na bhai!
Plus this age is such that distractions, anguishes, confusions, experiences, desires, love and hatred keep coming and going.
Then people say awareness and general knowledge is important for "personality building". For that it's back to "media-devtaya namaha".
Result: Itni confusion ki sab kuch swaha!!!!
Thats why I want to ask...Who's made these rules? Why is our life no more our life?
Arey hum bhi padna chahte hain, but dont make this so tough that we kill ourselves!
IT'S A FACT THAT IF THE PROF IS GOOD, HE NEVER EVEN TAKES ATTENDANCE IN THE CLAS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ATTEND HIS CLASSES ANYWAY. YES, THE SAME CARELESS IRRESPONSIBLE HACKERS. WE GO TO A CLASS WHEN WE REALISE THE TEACHER IS INTELLIGENT AND CAN FEEL OUT PULSE. WHEN HE TEACHES PROPERLY, WE WANT TO LEARN.
But the 'them' of the society wants to kill my interest in learning. They are the ones who give me alternative distractions to kill my time with. Then they tell me I'm the cream of the society which is rotting. As if they were never students themselves.
Student population is a lot of energy personified. They waste them, or they confuse them, and then they blame them.
Parents bhi daantenge, teachers bhi.
Aur friends ke funde to awesome hi hote hain.
Us par ye "chandan sa badan, chanchal chitwan...."
Koi kare to kya kare!
We can't do much about the media, except sop giving it what it wants..publicity, and TRP(& equivalents).
We can't do much about college admins except HOPE that they'll understand.
We can't do much about attendance rules because we dont want to fail, even if we like to.
We can't do much about the inter-hostel LAN that officially doesnt work.
We can't do much about the peer pressure. There's nobody to point out.
We can't do much about profs who cant teach...except pray that they take VRS.
We can't do much about our age and our parents and our disractions. These variables cannot be altered.
All we can do is perhaps crib and complain, and then be dismissed as aj kal ki useless generation!
Gosh..I never felt so powerless.
But there's one thing I'll do. In my tiny act of rebellion, I'm NOT going to class tomorrow morning.
Inquilab Zindabad!!
42 comments:
strange but a very welcome opinion from someone who`s actually had the best the system can offer ..u love attending lectures, don`t u :P ..and u probably have one of the highest GPA`s in ur batch :P
Anyway, that`s not the point of contention ..I guess the greatest folly in the system is the rigidity in allowing people to pursue their interests ..all the world`s importance is attached to our f****** GPA`s ..no appreciation for ur real talent perhaps! And yeah, time we get over the god-damn misconception that IIT`s are educatinal havens! The insider`s know better! Its just a play lasting four or five years to fool the fraudy system for that coveted degree! Where is the learning ..everybody is seen running around CAT, GRE, IAS etc after 4 years ..what does the country`s best education given u in the end!
Forget the media ..they`ll inevitably lynch anything remotely associated with institutions like IIT`s ..I personally think we are surrounded by a rowdy bunch of aging sadists, who`ll go to any lengths, screwing up our lives, just to ensure u carry the IIT tag on ur asses wherever u go!
thankfully, even after the institute`s repeated efforts, I`m holding fast with my convictions ..and have timely realised how to beat the system, and shred ur past when u r outta here! Huh!
PS: make sure u figure out the best recourses out here ..though things look pretty gud for u anyway :)
Touching post Kiddo!
bang !! right on target. This really is a serious matter .. not only frm tht suicide point of view .. but from more to come .. and seriously there cud be.
The system is all f**ked up .... are my insit is running since last month without an appointed DIRECTOR .... waah kitne garv ki baat hai na !!
and this media .. do hi kam hain TOI ko to .... either to portrait all masala .. or semi ---> [tending to ] complete ..nude pics .....
attendance .. tis right .. if there isnt any interest in tht BAKWAS which even i can do if i stand there .. then whts the point goin to class. Isse acha to room pe sona hai !!
kisi subject main kisi ka interest bhi jagega to prof ki mahanta dekh kar sabh kuch dabba gol ho jata hai .... and then no support ..... sab GANDA DHANDA hai ...
pehle to jabardasti engg main ghuso ... ab chalo ghus bhi gaye to padhane wala koi nahin .. par phir bhi padho ... are admi hain ki kya ??
bas kuch nahin kar sakte .. 2 -4 galiyan dene ke alawa ... ab jab tune INQUELAB bol di diya hai to mitr .... KAL MAIN BHI CLASS NAHIN JAOONGA !! [ bas plz ek class attend karne jaoonga .. vo teacher 2 mahine baad to aya hai ... and exms bhi aa rahe hain .. jana padega .. ]
hey i wrote a BADA sa comment .... but its not showing here ..... grrrrrrrrr
phew .... chalo dikhaya to sahi ..... bach gaye !! newayz thts was a really long .. and nice post .
I had thought that i wouldn't comment here anytime soon ... but this post was too interesting to pass over.
Attendance ... i didn't attend many classes in my final year. But after coming to IIM i have realized what a boon attendance rules can be, if strictly enforced. IITs still have 75 or 80 percent attendance rules, which allow people to bunk some classes which makes sure they cannot understand the subsequent ones. But when you sit through courses where you know that even one bunk can result in a fail, you will attend, and learn.
There is a basic information assymetry here. We, the consumers of education, don't have adequate knowledge about the product (education). So we perceive it to be worth less than what it actually is (similar to lemon's problem in economics) and hence think its ok to miss classes. The institution, the supplier of the product, is the one who really knows its worth. Their reputation rests on the students ... and so making attendance compulsory is needed ... and it helps ... i have seen it.
Every prof can't be a god ... but we have to remember that we are there to learn. You don't need to go to classes to crack exams, but that's not what you need in real life. There you will need to apply what you really have learnt, and nobody learns anything by mugging one night before the exams.
The peer group matters a lot. Kitne class bunk karogi ? Jab ek bunk ke baad koi pooche "tabiyat theek hai na, class kyon nahi aaye ? ", tab zaada bunk nahi hota. Class mein aankh lag aate hi pass wala utha deta hai ... prof dekh liya to sirf sone wale ka nahi balki poori class ki le lega. Strict implementation of rules helps in this case. Initially gussa aata tha (IIT effect). Aab class miss karne pe dukh hota hai.
I can't find fault with ToI this time around. They have written against an ill pervading all IITs, that of irresponsibility, something that is very much required ... and as i had written in my comment on BD's blog, it wouldn't affect the student or his family.
He's now been presented a picture of aj ki bigadti hui generation yet again, with amazingly foolish soundbites from some profs, and a convincing representation of how IITians waste public money on ONLY useless surfing in the "best" institutions of the country.
The common man is fed with over exaggerated stories of the greatness of IITians everyday. I don't see why we should complain if he has once been told about the "dark underbelly" of the campus. It is the truth, isn't it ?
@Ted
IITs still have 75 or 80 percent attendance rules, which allow people to bunk some classes which makes sure they cannot understand the subsequent ones. But when you sit through courses where you know that even one bunk can result in a fail, you will attend, and learn.
This is where I would like to differ. Traditionally, classrooms have been a medium of instruction. In professional institutes like IITs classrooms should be a medium of discussion rather than instruction. This spoon feeding culture is destroying our mindset.
I also read about this but I had no idea the media was having a field day, although I feared it might be so. Nobody can deny that things go wrong at times. I have seen extremely depressed people on the campus. And then I do ask myself why this person who must have been so successful and confident about 3-4 years ago is in such a horrible mess. There can be so many reasons. We will blame the system, the profs will blame us. But no one will ever be able to do anything. But isnt it also true that most of us on the campus are quite happy with life. I mean we might crib and cry but its not really so bad, is it?
Itna bada article :((,baad mein kabhi padhenge,abhi adha padh ke ekdam sone kii ichha ho rahi hai.
@BD
In professional institutes like IITs classrooms should be a medium of discussion rather than instruction.
A combination of both i would say ... some lecture component is needed in technical courses.
But are IITians prepared for that ? How many of them would take kindly to a proposal that would require them to prepare for classes and come ?
@TLC
Huh!
Kya bol rahe ho?
Best the system can offer...aise bol rahe ho as if i'm the queen of IIt, and everything goed perfectly for me..
Meri GPA highest nahi hai yar, my IR is arnd 25-30 types yar..bahut nehliyan hain insti mein.,.apk CG ki bat kar bhi kaise sakte ho
Besides, this sem i'm prepared for a real fall
told u na..
yes rigidity is there, but trust me, this situation is a LOT better than most other places..at lst we have some choice, some flexibility..we dont live in heavens,,but it's not soooo bad, as shivam da rightly said.
anyway readin ur comment confirms to me that aap kafi frustrate ho gaye ho eams se
chill a bit, cool hoke pado
kar kisi ko galiyan deke kuch milta nahi hai ji..
and 'best' is such a subjective term!:(
@BD
ouch!
@anuj
Yes it's a serious issure, we cant JUST brush it aside..
education ki bahut trivialisation hai hamari country mein both by management and by students... at a macro level, it doesnt paint a very happy picture...
so many schools dont function ONLY because there are no teachers.
At the same time educated unemployed is a huge chunk of our youth. Something is wrong somewhere...
aur clas sjana koi buri baat nahi hai
Maine inquilab bola, but main jhoot nahi boloongi, i did go to class later on., because i feel very guilty sleepin a class off, as in without reason nahi uda sakti. jab 3:30 soi thi to socha tha uda doongi, but subah neeend khul gayi khud hi, aur fir dobara nahi ayi
to class chali hi gayui main...
U might say i was a wrong person to bring this debate up because as a matter of fact maine poore sem mein 6 courses mein 0+1+0+2+2+0=5 classes miss ki hain...
but then again, i sleep class mein aankhen khol ke..
and i fine it's so futile so often...
@Ted
It's a good thing that u put down ur views. I appreciate that. If u feel like, u shouldn't hesitate to comment here. I'd appreciate that too.
U present a very viable true actually idealistic picture, which most of us dont YET understand..though this is the truth-that-shd-be, and I like it. As i said above, and as u know, I dont miss too many classes, hardly ever without a proper reason..because kitni bhi buri ho, we LEARN something at least if we learn. that's why I defended the logic of attendance rules in the post. the concept is right...But then again, you have to accept the difference bw iit and iim stds, and need to attend a class. further, understand the levels in OTHEr colleges, because wat i speak of is omni present. That is when u'll realise that with such little motivation, almost zero pressing need, and loads of distraction, unless the teaching is grt, attendance will fall. and beyond a point it's not even fair to force anyone.
The point is, u urself feel guilty right now abt missing a class..u didnt in iitm...wat;s changed? not u, but ur attitude. and the stimulation ur atmosphere provides u. who in iit hasnt ever studied in life, or is TOTALLY averse to it. But smthng here kills genuoine interest.
If u read TOI's coverage properly, u'd know that they r bringing out the right issue in a wrong way...
Sensationalisation is different from drawing sensible attention.
LIke all other scoops, when this one live out its shelf-life, u;d see newer headlines, but the problem will remain.
We, and not a reporter, or laymen, need to acknowledge and solve the problem.
How many of them would take kindly to a proposal that would require them to prepare for classes and come ?
Well, if that becomes THE culture of iit, introduced right from the time we eneter as innocent fresh-fromJEE kids, it'll work
Like it works for u in IIM...afterall u have also gone there from IIT.
We become as bad as our circumstances allow us to become.
@the laziest planet on earth
Lol..I didnt know earth pe aur bhi 'planets' hote hain!
:D
koi na, read it later...:P
@shivam
Well, u know the media in india, dont u?
and actually i agree with what u say in the end....we all crib, we enjoy it a bit, but in the end things are not soooooooooo bad. at;least not in iit. atleast not for a lot of ppl.
but at other places, and with some other ppl, things are bad.
we get depressed largely because we let stress accumulate on us, and then it suddenly becomes too much.
except KKPs, nobody studies during the sem. Deadline pe assignemnt submit karne mein, aur nightout marke padne mein to hum frust honge hi, natural hai.
Sometimes, we become more careless than event his, and serious things like that incident happen...probably we need to wake up a bit...profs and students.
There is hope still to make things better!
No comments...
comment bhi kya karu... This topic hardly leave any scope to differ from ur post or any of the comments written above me.. so no comments
just liked this line
Itni confusion ki sab kuch swaha!!!!
yes ...sahi me ... wahi ratrace....errr catrace; greeeeeEEEtc. kuchh to isi confusion me hakeekat ko khoj lete hai... aur kuchh isi ko hakeekat maan lete hai.
but kuchh log hai ...jinka na ambition na dream hai.. jinka aim hai masti karna. bus masti karna... masti bhi jyada nahi...after all excess of everything is bad. boredom is cause of many miseries and most of the time boredom is self created. lazy logo ke liye to kabhi kabhi busy day bhi funday ho jata hai..
No student can differ on this.If I had written,I would have gone on similar lines.
And I riterate,everything the newspapers have written is NOT true and you don't how enraged people are here with the twisted truths and horrible lies they have painted.There is nothing like 'IIT is shown to be great' and so let us 'show the ill's pervading in IIT'. We are the same as everyone else.IIT is not Utopia,although I have hard time convincing people that.
I can't change opinions though,and I won't.
When the going gets tough, the tough play the Age of Empires. Works well for me.
"Apne hisse kee padhai to hum kar chuke
Ab bus degree ka lihaaz karte hain
Par kya kahein in profs. ko,
jo ek ek attendance par aitraaz karte hain"
read the news of the IIT guy here coz of people sending me links. It was not in top news of India so did not know that it was this big a fuss.
The second thing is that even though there are no attendance rules here , i see people attending them anyways which we IIT people will skip a lot in this system. one of the reasons here is that people want to be engineers here. Ask your friends in DU about the attendance system. All learning eventually is self learning, professors are there to facilitate the learning not give you spoon feeded answers to the questions they expect to ask you in exam. And this thing reminds me of one more thing, that we have to forget asking for validation each step of our way, that is what is most important if you really want to be engineer , trust your self during the way. the IIT system has its flaws but may be i will tell about its advantages some other time.
Also think of the classes that you do not like to attend as the classes for meditation or for networking. Surprisingly i never see IIT girls on last benches.
Loved your hindi english mix style though, reading hindi now a days feels very nice :-)
are haan haan jo aaj kal inquelab bolte hian vo iasahi karte hain ;) .
class to main bhi gaya hi tha. and abt alll those issues .. they hav been pain in INDIA's ass for long .. but they havent been resolved .. and lol there seems no hope. Bas kisi tarah kam chal raha hai.
class main sota to kam hoon .. par padhta bhi nahin hoon ..
let go all these .. one cudnt do better then talk abt them .
But I think, there is this significance. If we do not face and learn to deal with this at college, this apathy, stubbornness, inefficieny, whims of authority, we are going to be in deep trouble once we move out into the "real" world.
And probably it doesn't hurt if we are unable to achieve the targets set for us by others. Our ambitions aren't ours. (CGPA, hah!)
Attendance requirements because, well, probably Profs. don't want to get embarrassed, and there's got to be a rule, after all. This illogical attendance rule nevertheless serves as a prototype for many other such rules we would have to follow throughout life.
But I wonder, Mass Bunking is an alien concept at IITD, seriousness? Respect? Or a lack of unity? Fear, maybe?
Media, systems, subjects, students, rules, norms, whatever, but I believe, the world is perfect. It wouldn't exist if it weren't. But doesn't mean we need not change it.
Let me take a bit more freedom and express my views about it. See, even a simple quadratic equation has two solutions. Why do we neglect the negative answer often? Because often it isn't "physical", according to us. I believe the equation of perfection has many solutions, and each moment, the world lives one of those, discarding the rest, because that, is the most "appropriate" solution for that instance. And every change that takes place builds a world that simulates one of the solutions of that equation.
Everyone finds a solution suiting his/her own needs, and puts his/her own initial and boundary conditions.
Anyone game to change the equation itself?
I noticed two things about the article
1.it was long
2.it was longer than what it first seemed
@Voice
Arey waa..no comments kehte kehte itn lamba comment...grt!!
:D
Ratrace ki baad se ek fav line yaad ayi..
Yes, life is a ratrace, but the amazing thing is...in this ratrace, even if you win..u remain a rat!
lazy logon ke liye hi busy day funday nahi hote, work-loving logon ke liye bhi hote hain...
and ek baat bata yar, masti aakhir hoti kya hai..define kar sakte ho...kuch na karna achhha to lagte hai, but onyl tab jab kuch karne ko ho aur hum by choice na karein. absolute nothingmess bakwas hoti hai!
@nikhil
Yes, evry correct.
Thats why i asked u to read this..
I have more frnds there who nhave been talkin just like you...and justifiably so!
utopia kuch bhi nahi hain, kahin bhi nahi hai...which also stems from THE bassic thing that utopia is relative, and perfection differs for everyone!
@The Anonymous
Waah waah..
Kya baat kahi hai?
Main shayar to nahi, magar ye bat jase suni, mujhe bhi dost mere, shayari aa gayi...
"Na jane humse kya chahte hain..
Ye profs diwane haqeeqat se anjaane
Kabhi so ke kabhi ro ke zinda hain hum
Tab bhi woh sirf hamari galtiyan hi pehchane!"
PS.Chaliye that's some more vital information about you!
@inhas
even though there are no attendance rules here , i see people attending them anyways which we IIT people will skip a lot in this system
exactly my point,
Maybe u can tell...
what really is the difference?
jst motivation at student level?..But then u mean to say that only abt 5% or so (the KKP junta) of those who give JEE have any motivation watsoever to be in IIT and to become an engineer.
If yes, this has serious implications...
we have to forget asking for validation each step of our way
But what if gratituios judgements are offered at every step validating or cricising our actions all the time!
And yes, dont get me wrong, there are several advantages of this system still, esp in india..that's why it survives...but the point is whether it is impossible to remove or minimise the flaws...
Surprisingly i never see IIT girls on last benches.
You have been in the wrong dep!!!
:D
Especially i am a last bench specialist in a lot of my courses...
Infact i usually sit on the second last bench or so even if all rows ahead of me are empty, and I'm only the sixth student in the class, like it happened this morning:P
Even the profs have gotten used to me that way now I think.
I just have one crazy rule though. The first class of each course each sem I sit on the first bench!
:P
Ok ok, I'm eccentric..
anyway, there's a point in wat u say....there's a whole lot that can be done in these classes, at the last bench.
talk, make frnds, sleep, play, sms, laugh, read newspapers, novels, solve sudoku, write poetry and blogs...ah the list is endless.
@ayush
Amazing observation man..how do u notice such details..
shit i didnt notice!
@anuj
haan kam chal raha haikitna hopeless sound karta hai ye sentence
but true hi hai
baat karke kya hoga yar....talkin wont solve it. or will it?
aj kal even i sleep less, except ek class mein..woh bahut dumb hai..
ab majrs sar pe jo khade hain:((
@The Anonymous
Yes, the significance thing u mention is point to think about for sure..
the sad part is how "real" all this has become for us, how much a part of this world, of our "reality" that we just take it for granted...cant even hope to change things:(
But yes, college has to teach us the reality, and so, this flaw is also essential!
:|
Yeah, if all our lives we're gonna live because of wat someone else decides, lets start now!
CGPA...aah aaaaah aargggggggghhh
but it's interesting how u urself say that rule are formulated to act as face-savers!
One point on I agree is that perfection can and should be changed.
one of my fav quotes has been..
If perfection was stagnation, heaven would have been a swamp!
But the world being perfect? i doubt it..
Then again u answe this urself, perfection is a subjective term..each one has their own boundary conditions..everyone's utopia is a different world, and when they try to co-exist, 'reality' emerges!
the point is not about changing the equation..infat it wont ever be a change if at all, it'll be only an improvement...
the point here is about solving th "Equation of Perfection" in a better way.
The technique has some basic flaw.
The error is too large. It's costing lives now!
i forgot one thing earlier, never crib about your IR, coz if you use the word IR it shows that you have one worth mentioning ;-) .
"It's costing lives now"
Death, in any form, of anything, is important. It's a part of perfection.
Remember what Achilles (Brad Pitt) says in Troy. ("The Gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed.")
Immortality knows no happiness, no joys. We know we'll die, that lets us enjoy. Suffering is a part of perfection. Unfairness is a part of perfection.
A possibility shouts at us - maybe there's nothing beyond this world, we are creatures by chance, why try to find rules? But that's just a possibility.
@inhas
Dont rub salt on wounds...
@The anonymous
Yes, true, very true.
Tghat's why i love death as much as life.
And thats what makes me such a masochist..because I love pain. I love darkness, I admire death and gloom and pain. I write negative things with almost as much pleasure as painful things... because I want my life to be COMPLETE, with pain and joy...
u know wat, with hindsight pain and suffering is sooo easy to appreciate....it's so easy to smile back at a memory of tough times, but we are such useless human beings that normally, when we r in the midst of it, we cant even see the macro view, and curse the pain....
It's so funny!
But anyway, the idea is that we need to accept end as a part of the journey, so we wont be afraid of the death. at the same time we have to trat the journey as a process, as an achievemnt. we cant stop waiting for the end. and we cant stop trying to get better, trying to get "perfection".
because the spirit of trying is all their is to life!
rules are the way we allow others in our paradigm...if we have the power, others follow our rules.
but then, they are not infallible.
no rule is without an exception-not even this one.
but lets not forget the point here...
yes there are imperfctions in the system, but we cant accept them by saying that imperfections do exist and nobody can do anythig about them.
i'm not gonna resign to this argument of convenience.
becaue their is a scope for improvement.
in me, u, us, the system, the attitude, nearly anything.
and it begins at realisation.
solutions begin at acknowledgement of the problem.
as long as i am alive, i wont give up trying.
All the best. To everyone.
I think you are right in that, whatever be the existing situation, however perfect, however passive, we should not let the fire inside us die out, however futile it seems at times. After all, let's invent a purpose for life.
well cdnt read ur post completely..have to study(teach) for tom major..wat crap!!..neways will do so soon..but 1 point to make..roorkee leads the way yaar..on an avg 3 suicides every year..never understood wat drove them & this place is really morbid..
my advice..fade to black (metallica) shd be national anthem !!
look at me my way, and it wuld never seem futile...
live with a little bit of extra enthu
and life is much much better
fighter hamesha jeet ta hai na
:D
the perfection lies also in the innate desire for perfection everyone has...
perfection lies also, in this trying for perfection,
the purpose, u see, is already invented.
we only have to discover it.
well i totally support this attendance system. After all the rule is not to have a perfect attendance record, but to have around 70-80 pc which to me is perfectly reasonable. Coz MOST, ya i mean MOST of the students won't attend any classes if there is no such rule, especially with an array of distractions around to keep u busy..the big internet alone is enough add to it ur love/hatred/friends factor..no one would ever think of attending the classes and u will simply got ur future f**ked up and nothing more.
I mite just be sounding like a studious fella, but i am not, not even remotely. Me myself has spent almost all the lectures sleeping in the class, but that again is completely not the fault of the prof. I believe generally in college we stop paying attention to seemingly boring things. Ya there are profs who are great, who keep classes pretty interesting and lotsa ppl listening to them BUT i've seen students even mass-bunking their class.
Yes, the profs can teach in a better way, they can be more interesting or interactive in teaching, but well this isn't the perfect world and not all teachers can be great. One has to show some interest himself/herself to actually enjoy the class. Only prof doesn't has to generate that interest. I myself wonder how i used to pay attention to teachers in skool, but since i've been to college my attention span has dropped drastically and that too is restricted to something very-interesting or on my areas of interest. Not sure if this holds true for others but this is certainly true for me.
Media thing is all crap, everything in this world is sellable, they sell news, they sell deaths, they sell scams, THEY SELL ONLY WHAT WE WILL BUY.
I think kaafi badi comment ho gayi hai, my point simply is attendance is important ! vaise ya this incident can have some big implications on ur lan and all......
But don't worry people forget things pretty quickly in this country..give this incident 2 weeks, u won't find a trace of it anywhere :)
so just chill and attend ur next lecture n lemme work :)
well i totally support this attendance system. After all the rule is not to have a perfect attendance record, but to have around 70-80 pc which to me is perfectly reasonable. Coz MOST, ya i mean MOST of the students won't attend any classes if there is no such rule, especially with an array of distractions around to keep u busy..the big internet alone is enough add to it ur love/hatred/friends factor..no one would ever think of attending the classes and u will simply got ur future f**ked up and nothing more.
I mite just be sounding like a studious fella, but i am not, not even remotely. Me myself has spent almost all the lectures sleeping in the class, but that again is completely not the fault of the prof. I believe generally in college we stop paying attention to seemingly boring things. Ya there are profs who are great, who keep classes pretty interesting and lotsa ppl listening to them BUT i've seen students even mass-bunking their class.
Yes, the profs can teach in a better way, they can be more interesting or interactive in teaching, but well this isn't the perfect world and not all teachers can be great. One has to show some interest himself/herself to actually enjoy the class. Only prof doesn't has to generate that interest. I myself wonder how i used to pay attention to teachers in skool, but since i've been to college my attention span has dropped drastically and that too is restricted to something very-interesting or on my areas of interest. Not sure if this holds true for others but this is certainly true for me.
Media thing is all crap, everything in this world is sellable, they sell news, they sell deaths, they sell scams, THEY SELL ONLY WHAT WE WILL BUY.
I think kaafi badi comment ho gayi hai, my point simply is attendance is important ! vaise ya this incident can have some big implications on ur lan and all......
But don't worry people forget things pretty quickly in this country..give this incident 2 weeks, u won't find a trace of it anywhere :)
so just chill and attend ur next lecture n lemme work :)
oye last time isne meri comment nahi dikhayi thi ! so i copy-pasted comment again......par ab 2-2 baar :(,
how the hell i delete this ??
i think you need a bit more work on this template, plus more of BETA testing by u yourself ;)
It still eludes me why there are people who do not assume responsibility for their own actions. It's not good.
a quote on this:
W. C. Sellar and R. J. Yeatman
"For every person who wants to teach there are approximately thirty people who don't want to learn--much."
maan gaye ,
kise
meri paarkhi nazar aur mujhe , doni ko
Sometimes, everything is not as it seems.
Sorry for not leaving a comment earlier - but I read it as soon as you posted - and completely agree with it! Good work.
I am of the opinion that attendance shdnt be compulsory to begin with. Profs shd be good enuf that students feel eager to attend the classes..no pt.in attending classes and sleeping ur way thru. i knw we are also at fault at times but generally I think in college we are pretty marture to understand what is good and bad for us...so no sense in binding rules on us. In school, we probably didnt have that sense of discretion.
Unfortunately the media sells everything..and mostly they sell the superficial stories rather than looking at what lies underneath.I hope to reveal the truths some day !!
and i really agree teaching is an art which is rare to find here.
Nice Post. I like your Opinion.
I agree with Kon, the attendance rule is more than just about academics and making life difficult for students. It teaches basic things like responsibility. It's not the profs/lecturers responsibility to entertain students, they are there to teach. Plus what's the point of signing up to study in a particular school/institution when you cannot even do the simple thing of going for classes/lectures?
know wat?
CA does not have any attendance rules. NO ATTENDANCE RULES. dont ask me why..... well, lemme tell you why.. though I cant tell you the entire picture, cos I dont know it myself. Well, CA offers postal coaching ,coaching from accredited institutes and institute coaching which except for places like in Chennai,Delhi and a few others never bothers to even know the goddamn spelling of S T U D E N T S. you have these "Private" CA coaching centre's which try and teach the subjects.I say "try" cos some subjects are so complicated that even the "best" do not know the worst of the subjects, many chapters are skipped in the insti / accredited insti coachings because they DO NOT KNOW the the concepts of the subjects.
Many are misinterpreted and presented, many are mugged up and recited out aloud in the class. CA subjects are like dat.
It does not have a clear 2H2+O2 = 2H2O equation. It does not have the E=MC^2 clarity. It is all hypotheses, all about situations, all about laws that can be bent, rules that can be amended, regulations that can sidestepped .... loads of sections, sub sections, provisos , case laws, interpretations, contradictory judgements, international laws, inter state laws, intra state laws etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and in the middle of nowhere we also learn about magnetic tapes, bubble memmory, firmware and data normalisation.
If you are bored already ,well, this preamble was necessary for wat I need to comment....
I know the very bases of the post and this comment are different, but then there is a common basis, educationand students and attendance and lecturers... and then I can talk only about my educational background.
Well then , getting down to specifics --
1. Attendance is of utmost importance , as someone (maybe ted) who pointed it out about missing a class in between ...No one , just no one can tell you better the woes of a student who has heard the rule (read section) misses a class and comes back to a hearing of a proviso that is seemingly contradictory to the rule, but still is a proviso.Each word attains titanic importance ... I MEAN the word titanic because of both the importance as well as because that onbe single word holds the power to goddamn drown your six months into oblivion.
2. As for distractions, if you can, then handle them, if you cant then you have no right to be there where you are.... what if ...err..umm .. say the army for example gave into distractions? There would be no you or me! If senses to take the upper hand, why do you need the mind? What happens to the concpet of self control? When you take up something, do it with passion, complete it, burn till you win... you are future engineers of the country... imagine you are a civil engineer and due to not having attended classes dont know your trade well just think !
3. Some one , in one of these links in the post talks of marks... I would like to say getting marks is not a herculean task, you need not have ANY understanding of the subject to get marks. Marks I believe are one of the poorest critria to judge a person's worth ! God fry the guy in hell who invented marks.
4. As for siucides, who does not commit siucide? ( Imean to ask which stream does not have students opting for it?) With no disrespect to the departed soul, I would like to say that life is life when you win through it, why give death the ultimate satisfaction of having ultimately weakend you? Every where, spineless people, who do not want to fight it out find this to be an easy way out of everything !
5. If you did not want to get into IIT, IIM, ICAI, ICSI why then did you try? why did you slog your A$$es off to get into it? WHY WHY? Money? the name tag? the honour? why? ask yourselves plainly ... and then trudge back in your life , what I mean to say is never lose sight of the goal you have ste for yourself ... you will really find all this "chandan sa badan" crap moving off your mind like water from a duck's back, No Yet again, I dont say dont fall in love , an outrageous flirt like me does not have the right to say that, but then dont lose sight of your goals.
6. If you got in because your parents wanted to or because of your peer pressure, rethink, cos I would not want to see another person ending up like the guy who hanged himself to death.
7.Attendance teaches discpline. not attending classes insults the lecturers who instead of taking up jobs in other MNCs and not becoming CTOs and VP technology of those companies have stayed back to teach the future of the country.
I know I seem to righteous in this extra lengthy comment, but then being a person who is both earning and learning at the same time, who having faced the hardship of having been offered a seat by a premiere insti , couldnt take it up cos my parents could not afford for it, but then resolving to see my self at the top of everything ... beating all odds to get a 5 fig salary at 19 , on the verge of getting a prof deg al;on with a post grad degree, lemme tell you, life outside is not rosy, you are cribbing about life within the 4 walls of ur alma mater, but then you do not know that it is because of the IIT tag you will not struggle the way the rest of the youth are to find a decent job to make ends meet, enjoy the luxury bestowed on you.
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