I am wondering whether it is possible for me to explain/allude to a theory here without it being automatically interpreted that the content matches with my personal opinion!
I seriously hope so, because in the following paragraphs I'm going to explain about two theories I've recently come across, and find them fairly interesting to give them a thought. But infact, I'm reserving my own opinion over these, and please treat the following as NOT IMHO. That said, I'd love your opinion, if any, on the same. A good discussion whets my appetite!
The first one is the GAZE theory. Follow the link to know more, but anyway, the conventional version of this theory deals with the 'male gaze', which as the name suggests deal with the men gazing at the female body- sexually or otherwise, and there are feminist version as well! I'm not going into the 'social politics' and psychology of sexual gratification that goes behind this( Wikipedia and this link(minus the 'illustrative' pics) have fairly interesting information to offer). I was thinking on another aspect, which was highlighted recently by one of my teachers in her class, which is that the whole psychology of 'male gaze' seeps throught women and women look at themselves through the male gaze!! If you've heard this for the first time, read on, because it's interesting.
What I'm trying to narrate is that because men look at women in a certain way, and there are certain definitions and perceptions of "desirability" of a women vis-a-vis thow she looks, women themselves( Freudian inferiority psychology?) look at their own bodies and apparel from that point of view, so as to be deemed "desirable" and acceptable!! That is why something like a James Bond movie, so obviously intended for a male audience with all the action, sex and women, also caters to a female audience at an invisible, sarcastic level. This is not to suggest that a woman would derive pleasure out of staring at a nude female, but there's a psychology working at another level. I hope u understand, for I don't wish to elaborate!
Interestingly, a converse theory of this is also doing the rounds, but the abovementioned links would give u a fair idea.
Anyway, please remember none of the above is my personal view or comment on the topic, and the same's true for what follows.
The second theory deals with the importance of looks! Though I already wrote a post on a similar topic once, that was my perspective largely, and this is not. It's interesting still, because, to be very brief, what this theory suggests is that the conventional/ancient/forever-present funda about 'looks' being an important criterion to judge a person was, at lst in THOSE times, justified, because it is said that the perceived beauty of a person(men AND women, though more for women perhaps) is directly proportional to the fertility of the individual! And since it was desirable to have a life partner who will be great at procreation, looks became THE criterion!
The interesting view is if u think about today's times and discuss the applicability. I don't think anyone would prefer a women who can theoretically bear 8 children vis-a-vis someone who can bear 5 or 6, because who can afford that many children anyway! Secondly, is the continuation of a generation still that decisive an issue? And thirdly, IF this theory is true(I have serious doubts but still...) shouldn't we actually ask the Family Planning Commission to take up a programme which glamourises marrying the ugly!!!!!!
Unless it hurts the cosmetic industry too much..............
:P
I seriously hope so, because in the following paragraphs I'm going to explain about two theories I've recently come across, and find them fairly interesting to give them a thought. But infact, I'm reserving my own opinion over these, and please treat the following as NOT IMHO. That said, I'd love your opinion, if any, on the same. A good discussion whets my appetite!
The first one is the GAZE theory. Follow the link to know more, but anyway, the conventional version of this theory deals with the 'male gaze', which as the name suggests deal with the men gazing at the female body- sexually or otherwise, and there are feminist version as well! I'm not going into the 'social politics' and psychology of sexual gratification that goes behind this( Wikipedia and this link(minus the 'illustrative' pics) have fairly interesting information to offer). I was thinking on another aspect, which was highlighted recently by one of my teachers in her class, which is that the whole psychology of 'male gaze' seeps throught women and women look at themselves through the male gaze!! If you've heard this for the first time, read on, because it's interesting.
What I'm trying to narrate is that because men look at women in a certain way, and there are certain definitions and perceptions of "desirability" of a women vis-a-vis thow she looks, women themselves( Freudian inferiority psychology?) look at their own bodies and apparel from that point of view, so as to be deemed "desirable" and acceptable!! That is why something like a James Bond movie, so obviously intended for a male audience with all the action, sex and women, also caters to a female audience at an invisible, sarcastic level. This is not to suggest that a woman would derive pleasure out of staring at a nude female, but there's a psychology working at another level. I hope u understand, for I don't wish to elaborate!
Interestingly, a converse theory of this is also doing the rounds, but the abovementioned links would give u a fair idea.
Anyway, please remember none of the above is my personal view or comment on the topic, and the same's true for what follows.
The second theory deals with the importance of looks! Though I already wrote a post on a similar topic once, that was my perspective largely, and this is not. It's interesting still, because, to be very brief, what this theory suggests is that the conventional/ancient/forever-present funda about 'looks' being an important criterion to judge a person was, at lst in THOSE times, justified, because it is said that the perceived beauty of a person(men AND women, though more for women perhaps) is directly proportional to the fertility of the individual! And since it was desirable to have a life partner who will be great at procreation, looks became THE criterion!
The interesting view is if u think about today's times and discuss the applicability. I don't think anyone would prefer a women who can theoretically bear 8 children vis-a-vis someone who can bear 5 or 6, because who can afford that many children anyway! Secondly, is the continuation of a generation still that decisive an issue? And thirdly, IF this theory is true(I have serious doubts but still...) shouldn't we actually ask the Family Planning Commission to take up a programme which glamourises marrying the ugly!!!!!!
Unless it hurts the cosmetic industry too much..............
:P
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Maybe the women are too outraged by a realization they might have had, while the men are busy with that page of "illustrative" examples!
(Just kidding!! The topic is definitely interesting)
yeh kya post hai :o :o ?
well u already think that i won't write anything serious..but anyway..i will put down my points:
1. Thanks a lot, its only coz of u that i dont have to browse for porn over internet, i can find almost everything in this blog..i was wrong when i compared you to TOI..arey u r even better then Delhi Times :)
2. PLEASE PLEASE...put a better word then "illustrative" here, "CAREFUL" would be far far better word to use..just imagine if i had read/opened that link from office..
u think i was not serious in above points ? well believe me or not i was dead serious :), now on an even serious note:
3. I checked out the first (non-porn) link, the wikipedia one, in its related links, there was one on "Eye contact" that was far better for me than this one.
Ofcourse all this is my own stupid and !diotic view, u r FREE (infact BOUND) to differ...
How weird is it was reading Germaine Greer today.
yes, it is a theory and a rather controversial one that the female is nothing but a construct of the male gaze.She exists solely so that the male can feast his eyes on her. It is a bit extreme but i do adhere to some parts of it, what's eveteasing about anyways, arent we being viwed and gazed at? and social conditioning has perhaps made women look at themselves through the eyes of the male..
Apart from the fact that this is fascinating and controversial, but this theory does establish explanations about stereotypes.
Angela Carter's "Black Venus" is a brilliantly told piece of the point of view of the ;other;- the woman ostracised in literature solely because of her gender.
OMG - this comment was so long and I could go on and on.
Taru for once, I did not find your post interesting,maybe because I find it futile thinking on these lines.
Ne ways happy writing
cheers!!
nice post..esp the links ;-P..have to go thru them in detail..bcoz its interesting to see those ads..
neways tho its hard to believe with the latter part of the post, i believe the same is applicable to males also..they also suffer from freudian inferiority complex..also same as bond movies..y would the junta try to ape SRK or sallu's shirtelss poses ??
am i offtrack ??...i hope i got the jist of the post correctly..
and to continue if it is eveteasing what is part of the male gaze..there is adam teasing too..tho ya too a lesser extent and in a discreet manner..
I think there is also a theory about how women don't dress up for men, but to intimidate other women..All the theories about women, put together, still don't explain them very well do they?
Adam teasing :O,Am I the only male who hasn't been adam teased:((,kya yaar,you females disapoint me all the time,the only time i have ever been stared upon is when I keep a full fledged beard,so the person who sees me is so concerned about his\er safety[more so her safety :P],that they find it hard to get their eyes off me.I'll call that "female gaze".
Aur yaar apne account pe only for 18+[aap bhi to bas 18 hi ho:P]ka tag laga do :D.
Ek aur common observation,yaar aapke saare so called illustrative examples mein ladkiyon ka makeup zyada aur kapde kam hain,to yaar ladke to bechare ladke hi hain,aur rahi baat ladki ki,to well I am a believer of the old saying "If you have it,flaunt it".
Coming on to fertility ,to well it is a sort of genetic trait,males tending to look for more fertile females,it would take more than 50 years of overpoppulation to change 2 million years of tendency to breed to survive.
And last but certainly not the least.
Well how can you say something that you don't believe in.You are stating something and then you say these aren't my views.So whose views are they then??And what makes you project somebody else's views??Split personality??:O.
interesting one ;)
Gaze :: well the theory is fine as far as sexual part of it is concerned .. but then wont one fed up thinking abt all the women in a similar fashion .... so its not all abt SEX .... its much more .. the very first gaze is obviously a result of attraction ... but at times i gaze jst to peep in to a girlz eyes .. dont knw wht answers i want .. but its my way of knowing certain thing tht i wish to knw .. nevr tested whether i hav been right any of times ... so its vague ..
LOOKs :: sure looks matter ... evrything starts with a basic attraction only .. but the reason of it being more productive is ugggghh absurd ..
Gaze theory was fascinating.I would still say it is only a hypothesis. A tentative account which accounts for only certain set of situations. We can call it a supposition or an assumption which needs further study or research.
And about the looks thing, who would not like to have a beautiful wife or a handsome husband?
the gaze theory is still relatively new to me and i haven't thought much about it yet so no comments about it.
but about looks part, it definitely applies to the present day scenario. I may point out( at least from the male perspective) that when you look at a woman, you are hardy thinking somewhat like - "Oh! look at her she is so beautiful, she can at least bear 10 children" its not your brain that does the thinking but something inside you, your instincts say that she is desireable. and its not that you are thinking about children, its more about pleasure. its what you are tuned for by nature. maybe in some more million years the driving force for attraction be intelligence, when the living skills involved require you to use your intelligence extensively. you can already see the trend when people say they are turned on by intelligence. and you are arguing about issue of continuation of generation, i am shocked, dear taru, its the basis of life, how could you question that. some research even shows that some good looking criminals were convicted to a lesser sentence than others who were not. and also that good looking children were condoned for the same act that some not so good looking children were rebuked about.[please overlook any digression]
and btw your last poem was nice,
[you never told me about it, hmmm? ;) ]
@anon
Chaliye aapko kuch to interesting laga!!!
Outrage? pata nahi..abhi tak kisi ne dikhaya nahi..even I'm waiting for it.
@kon??
kya baat hai! itna sahi comment..
**applause**
1. Shut up1 That is sooo insulting...i cdnt help it, i only linked the text dear!
2.yaaaaaaaaaaarrrr..dont irritate me now.
3.Why BOUND?
main naam se hi rebel lagti hoon kya?:O
@dc
I appreciate ur views....Listen up men, here's a women who has taken things very logically and gracefully:)
Ur comment is fairly interesting..and informative..
Tell me, do u believe in stereotypes?
And more importantly, inspite of the fact that everyone breaks away from stereotypes at various levels...do u think they r important, as in they provide identification and security...
@grease lightning
Never mind..to each one his own!
@insane
You're very right..and the angle u present is true and equally intersting..
gosh1 human mind is sooo complex!
It's funny u mention adam teasing though:P
Have u really experienced it!!!
@kd
:))
Well said...
u can formulate as many theories as u want, but nobody ever figures thm out completely..
maybe that's why I'm largly keeping my own mind quiet here:))
@vertigo
Now that's the most stimulated(and long) comment ever from u on this page....
Lazy bums excited, huh?
koi na, kabhi to apka bhi din ayega!
waise ur definition of fEMALE gaze is very interesting,and unny..
oye, maien kaha tha na, minus the pics dekhna hai woh link!
in any case, maine woh sare example dhang se nahi dekhe, infact dekhe hi nahi...after a glance.
anyway, a[pko 100 bache mubarak hon..Gandhari se shadi kar lijiye!
and yes, i've only "reported"facts and theories that have been stated bu other ppl and I have read..I'm not mixing personal opinions here...
split personality?
yahan pata nahi, but haan, ho bhi sakti hai:D
@anuj
i say this again..u r a hopeless romantic!
u and ur fatal attractions!:P
@johney
but is that all that is important..and the qquestion here is, at a psychological/need based level...WHY?
Just to show-off?
does it give u a sense of security...perhaps insecurity too...
i dunno.
@monks
hmmmm
The Gaze theory hence suggests there are more lesbians than gays...
hmmmm.. Interesting....
the 2nd theory is as barbaad as barbaad can be.
@mani
wat an arbit conclusion!
Somehow ur new template ate my prev comment, so trying to write it again.....
first of all the new template loooks 1000 times better than the previous one, this one looks like one of a professional blogger like u unlike last one which was as bad as mine :))
1. watever u say, but this is THE MASALA TEXT U riting !!
2. irritating ? well u r free to open/see whatever in ur hostel, but think about ppl like me in office ? huh ? nyway its YOUR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION !
3. BOUND isliye nahi ki u r rebel but isliye coz i guess our thinking is totally in opposite direction....
hoping ur template accepts my comment...or this has some kinda filter for my comments :D *fingers crossed*
Ahem Ahem..
anpad ladki .. not arbit!
far-fetched but you will admit well thought of.
Hey u posted at exactly the right time... there was some minor problem with the comments..they weren't getting posted.
but i figured it out!!
ok, thanx for the compliment on the template
this has taken up all afternoon!!and do u think i always think everything OPPOSITE...
hmm...
theek hai, ur opinion!
:P
@mani
haan kuch zyada hi well thought of...but listen up dude, here we are all exploring the converse theory too...
female gaze...
ab soch
Converse theory is not ... TRUE
What is this 'required' doing in brackets after 'Name'? Am I still allowed to comment? What's there in a name anyway?
Anway, I just love black. Thanks.
Nice and Great new look.
Didnt have the time to go thru the links... derived some idea from ur post only.
About second funda...funda and definition of looks changes with time greatly.
wat is considered to be cool today mite be hillarious in future [sometime sooner than u think ]
Yeah yeah, I'm not depriving anyone of their anonymity..
thanx for the support wiase..at least SOMEONE likes the template..though I dont even know who u r:(
@mani
well, that's debatable!!
@ voice
thanx for supportin the template dude
and yes, i agree with wat u say..
thanx!
:)
O.k. let's get introduced. You're a blogger, I am a reader of your blog, and I comment. But just one thing, I like to be anonymous, I respect anonymity, or equivalently, I respect the fear of popularity. So now you know :-)
Oh yes, actually the new template is good to gaze at!
>i commented at the rite time ?
damn i feel like a BETA tester now :(
:P
well u always think opposite of ME, that doesnt me u think opposite :)
I'm thoroughly impressed with your comment, and so u can say, with you too..
I have no qualms about ur anonymity...
I respect it just the same..
A discerning reader's comments are more valuable than anything else:)
Thanx...
I shall respect ur anonymity, till the day u get so much popularity as Mr./Ms. anonymous that u don't fear divulgiing ur name any more:)
@kon ??
Haan as if u are THE mister right:P
tum beta tester hi bane raho:))
Thank you.
But.......Oh God! I told you I fear popularity and you made me imagine a situation of such immense popularity! Well, I wonder if someone so popular as you are recognizes the deep fears popularity might bring to some others. But never mind.
Now I guess that's enough chit-chat for the day, because I find it tearing apart the sieve of discernment through which I pass your posts before commenting. And you, as you have said, will lose something valuable if it is torn completely.
haha seeing this "anonymous" thing reminds me of 2 incidents..
1. Pretty latest, read just today chetan bhagat decided to close down his blog ! REASON : his blog has become TOO POPULAR !! and he just can not write what he wants/feel to write !! EVILS of being popular :)
well sometime me feels the same too :P
2. This is too old, i read Mike Oldfield went into exile simply because he became tooo popular after his first album which was a super-hit "Tubular Bells" ....
anyway tht was out of context i guess :)
PS: btw this font is verdana rite ?? man this is my fav font....again this template is really gud....white over black n verdana font !! just too gud !!
SOMEDAY this lazy fella will try to devote some time on this :)
yaar why did you do this to your template,Its no way near to how good your blog looked earlier.Unchange it at the earliests,puuhhhlease
If it aint broke ,Dont fix it.
Yaar yeh tune kya kar liya,pehle bahut jyaada achha lagta tha tera blog.havent you heard "if it aint broke , dont fix it"
hey nice changeover..its really different !! I like it..how did ya do it...give some gyaan...but ya didnt like the red on black part(shor mat machaao)
Girls in my "gr8" school used to Adam tease..apart from that I know my female friends going out for ET(eyes treat) at times..
Let me digress a bit. If you remove the differences brought by your upbringing, I believe men and women will not be psychologically different.
So is it that men are taught to gaze, or women are taught to force men to gaze?
@anon
Very interesting thought indeed..
Well, since the situation is so hyppothetical it's hard to imagine and be definitive
but what I certainly feel is that while in the given circumstance there would be no difference as infants, the growing-up process, the adoloscence, would ruin iy anyway, provided we are talking of heterosexual people.
attraction to opposite sex is natural, that would come both in the form of self-initiated gazes, AND provoked gazes at themselves.
@ayush
naah no un-chnge
if i do, it'll be a third option now.
@insane
thanx
gyan.well..do a lil googlin...u'll get lotsa good templates
edit, change ur code, and personalise.
@ kon ??
1. thank god my blog is noot poplular:P
u did googling for it :o ? CHOR CHOR CHOR CHOR !! :P
ya ur blog is NOOT popular :))))) 37 comments prove that !!!
arey u expect me to hardcoede the entied CSS file kya..
matlab possible hai but need kya hai!
I digress again, please allow. I wonder if anything in humans is innate or natural. As in this attraction for opposite sex, chance decides whether a foetus is male or female, then there are identical conditions in both cases, what on earth could make this attraction innate to people, I wonder.
May I refer to you IITianality and ask you to imagine the complexity of a, say, circuit, for example, that can develop in a mind of a person without any external influence and lead to things "natural" in the conduct of a human being. It's unbelievable, even if it's true.
More probably, infancy is a period of intense learning activity, a crash course, where we learn those seemingly natural qualities, forget that we learnt them, and believe forever that we were born with them.
Anyway, please don't talk of an alias Phoenix, nothing but anonymity gives me peace!
infancy is a period of intense learning activity, a crash course, where we learn those seemingly natural qualities, forget that we learnt them, and believe forever that we were born with them.
THESE IS AN AMAZING THOUGHT...ABSOBLOODYLUTELY TRUE, AND EXTREMELY WELL SAID.
One thousand rounds of applause to you for this...
Truly amazing!
Gosh! My mind's gone into a thinking overdrive since the last 60 seconds, even sinc I read this line...
Anyway, cooling down a bit and coming back to the rest of the comment..I quite appreciate your 'digression'
(Trust me, this is getting more intellectually stimulating than I ever thought, and I'm LOVING it...Thanx a million!
I owe u a treat..)
Interestingly, u mention '"chancë'...Can u explain how after the "chance" occurence, the selection of the chromosome by sheer chance, AFTER that, how is it still hundred percent identical till late infancy.
More importantly, I believe the longing(or watever u call it) for the opposite sex IS common, a part of growing up, adoloscence, puberty, watever. That's what I meant when I said either way everyone gazes and provokes gazing at themselves, at a subconscious level atlst.
(of crse, talkin of heterosexuals only)
Anyway, the IITian example is fun, but I shudder with fear when I only begin to imagine the circuit that wd exemplify the human mind.
Still, extremely well-put, stiimulating thought!
Thanx a lot
Forgot one thing, I respect, and actually enjoy now, ur anonymity.
Still can I refere to you as THE ANONYMOUS pls..
Afterall, u r registered!
Do i believe in stereotypes?
i think something becomes a generalisation when its used too much, it wasnt one when it started getting used. But breaking out of the mould - that does require courage and conviction and well if you're stereotyped you're also cushioned and in a way secure.
No, not identical till late infancy, I meant there are identical conditions till the time one is born. Immediately after you're born and you are identified as a boy or a girl, the difference starts developing, I believe, due to external factors. There is a difference in the way a mother will handle a son and a daughter. And more certainly, a father's treatment is much different for the son than the daughter. No, I am not speaking of bias, but there's a, possibly unintended, difference. In fact, it's quite easy to notice.
The touch is different, the gaze is different.
And of course, as one grows up, there are a lot of more prominent differences. The lessons are different, all rules are different.
____________
Now come on Phoenix, the applause you deserve, but the treat for me is fine. As soon as I no longer need to remain anonymous, I'll take that treat. But for now, fears dominate, never mind.
All right Phoenix, "The Anonymous" is fine, although 'The' shouts of popularity, but I guess, a little courage doesn't harm.
all right, I'll wait for the day when u ask me for the treat!
:D
I agree with the first part of ur comment mostly.
But the difference , the importance and the nature of the difference, and it's consequences..now they bug me!
Stereootypes did u say.
norms, expectation
gosh all crap comes to my mind
leave it
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