Thursday, May 22, 2008

My space v/s Our space?

Arnav's post this morning reminded me of my very own intimacy v/s privacy debate, shreds of which penetrate every relationship I have, and more so in recent times, and the crux of which invaded my relationship with my parents probably before I learnt to define these words. I love my parents, without doubt, and they've loved me so unconditionally I don't even want to think about it lest it gives me guilt pangs. But my relationship with them has always been confined to strict limits and lines which I drew and kept since and for forever, I think.

As a child I was one of those who have the bane of growing too soon for their age thrust upon their shoulders by destiny, and though most people wouldn't believe it, I was more of less really quiet. Talkative in friends, but quiet. Both my parents work, and I lived in a creche since I was about four months old, and till the time I was old enough to take care of myself and my younger brother in the absence of my parents. During those 11-12 years, though I don't remember the first few of those at all except my dad teaching me alphabet and poetry and me ruining the whole house's walls with a pen in hand and some such shredded memories, I became comfortable in a life in a shell around myself sufficiently enough that I never needed to step out of it.

Now, for the last five years I've been living outside home, and my fortnightly visits are essentially about a lot of sleep, food, TV and a little banter and during the week I almost never call up home, and my mom calls every 4-5 days. I argue almost endlessly with my mom at times, sometimes bordering on rudeness but mostly playfully. I'm not interested in any of the stuff going on at home so half the time I'm not even listening, and I'm absolutely not interested in divulging more than a minimum amount of what I do here even if they ask. And as a result of this, my parents know very little of the person I've become in all these years. They know I'm opinionated and rebellious but my mom was shocked a few days back when there was a hint of sensitivity (which is all her domain in my home) in something I did. They don't know most of my friends, they don't think I do anything other than studying and a little bit of extra work here and never step out of hostel after 9pm, they don't know I write much except a couple of articles or poems they might have seen sometimes, and they don't know what goes in my head at any given point of time. Now you can call it tragic, but that's just the way I've liked it to be, all these years.

Except today, reading Arnav's post made me realize I've never gone to them with a problem, at least never ever with a personal/emotional problem, and I never try calling home if I'm lonely, or down. The one time I screwed up a course horribly and psyched out completely over it, I eventually cried out to them and they were immediate comfort. I don't even tell them if I'm ill because they worry, not even when I want someone to worry. I've become so used to the independence that I can't really live at home for too long, though it's become better in the last one year. In fact there was a time I used to be outright stifled, because at my home I can't wake up late, can't talk on phone, can't go anywhere (not that I've any friends there) and can't even just keep to myself and my novel for too long. My brother, I can still talk to him sometimes, and I often regret not being around for him, but that's primarily because I'm protective of him.
Otherwise, I'm just so sadly, fiercely independent I feel sorry.

And contrast it with the other relationships I have. 2.5 years ago I actually opened up to people to let them come close enough, and trusted them enough so they mattered a lot in my life, and since then more or less I've looked at them for support when I needed it, approached them with problems and found the few I could relax enough with to just be myself to them. That period's almost past now, but in them, during those years and with those people, I craved for intimacy, and doted love a bit too much so it became intrusion in their privacy.

I juggled around this thin line between the urge of being there for them all the time and still allowing them the space they so fiercely protected so much that I probably pissed them off too many times. I just don't have the absolute answer of maintaining this balance, so I kept getting pained in their pain which I wasn't allowed to share, and in my pain which I so strongly wanted comfort for, till I just gave up.

And hence the eternal debate found a new question as well. When we, the funny, erratic, baffling humans can't really ever get to understand and adjust to ourselves and our own uncertainties and eccentricities, how could we ever live with and adjust to somebody else's uncertainties and eccentricities, at any measure of close-distance?

Reminds me of the Calvin quote: Why did evolution give us something like a sense of humour? Because if we couldn't laugh at things that didn't make sense, we wouldn't be able to react to most part of life.

31 comments:

Vik said...

You live many lives simultaneously.. all entirely different from one another. Quite difficult, ain't it, maintaining this balance of alter-egos? But good in a way- when you're down and out at one front, you can be quite happy at another!
I think this mix of quietness and talkativeness is wonderful. It should make you one of the more apt persons in deciding the boundaries of the said spaces.

Anonymous said...

Whenever I feel like this, I drink a lot of vodka, go off to sleep, and wake up free from such thoughts.

It's so much better this way :)

Divesh said...

any idea ye mera nick [:D] kisne chura liya upar waale comment mein??

no comments on the post .. I have a very different relationship with my parents .. I am more close and open(wow, opposites :D) than anyone else

Anonymous said...

@ divesh :D

Sorry, pata nahi tha, isliye chura liya...koi nahi ab change kar leta hun

Divesh said...

Peace :)

vibhav said...

I try to maintain a "code of conduct" for uneasy situations, to keep on doing certain expected things quietly, if not as pleasures then as something to sustain the relationship for those intervals when intimacy seems to have disappeared. It becomes formal and difficult, maybe mechanical and it's like pushing difficult things under the carpet but it keeps them working on some level. If nothing else, everyday issues are kept down. But again it doesn't work as neat as it is perhaps sounding. There is too much expectation from both sides in a parents-child relationship.

I guess the way to balance intimacy and privacy is the see-saw way rather than the fixed-rod way.

Anonymous said...

some are only comfortable in giving, some in taking and some in give and take, they come in all shapes and sizes and oddities........how can one use same yardstick for all. What is intrusion for some is their acceptance by you. To say 'i would be thus' because 'this' is what i have seen in general, seems more like quitting upon everyone.
One gets tired, convinced in the generalization of individuals, exhausted of the strain in adjusting everytime and what nots....quitting it is :)

Anonymous said...

*What is intrusion for some is for others, their acceptance by you

JustSo said...

*shrugs* she came, she saw, she quietly walked away.

Anonymous said...

We are very similar people. Although I feel that my parents really go far in trying to understand me. And I also realised that in my youthful ego there were some very subtle things about them that I kept missing all this while. But we've come closer and also know about my crazy career plans, and are okay with it!

Phoenix said...

[vik]
Difficult, perhaps, but most of it comes naturally, almost spontaneously and with practice imbalances will only occur at infrequent intersections of two spheres. But then, you in the middle are one and the same person, and if you want to switch on and off moods and feelings too, alongwith roles and reactions, chances are most things end up being either or too superficial, or too deep to be noticed. Still, it's good in its own way. Gives you distraction. And bad because it gives you yourself as a standard of judging and comparison in ur own eyes. However, whether or not it helps juggle the boundaries of space wherein they meet somebody else's space, is something I'm not sure of. You can juggle around with urself, n that too with sufficient difficulty, but smone else...what do you when your heart bleeds in limitless passion for someone who swears by practicality,for example.

Phoenix said...

[:d/:)]
Ah well, you better get off ur vodka frenzies or I am the one who'd call up ur parents and reduce some distances there.
Threats apart, sleep (with or without alcohol)is a good way to run from disturbing thoughts, but then, how long can one run, "those" moments eventually catch up..

[divesh]
Chalo, peace. It's still your nick, is it?
Good for you. :)

Phoenix said...

[vibhav]
I understand. I once had a huge rule list for myself too, and because I broke a few, am working on version 2 these days. What to do when types, and peaceful adjustments are all fine too, infact necessary. The thing though, was not about how to keep it working, for it is working pretty ok, but just to look at it, as it stands.

The see-saw way is too much of a hit and try sometimes :(


[anonymous]
Primarily,what me, and everyone, needs to figure out is what is it that they are comfortable with....giving or taking, and then we find that the answer varies with time and with every relationship, and hence our own uncertainty is the biggest incomprehensible question, before even stumbling onto someone else's uncetainties.
I'm not quitting and I'm not blanketly generalizing, but I do realise the answer to my question would be the un-defined chemistry and X factor which makes some people tick and some relationships work, despite the see-saw and tug pulling.

Phoenix said...

[justso]
and her quietness is really disturbing.

[akshay]
Chalo, kahin to hum similar hain...it's obviously good to understand each other.

anand said...

i could have written the first three paragraphs...

aditi said...

I think it's becoming very comon that parents are taken for granted...I have always been very much dependent on my parents an dhave always lived at home but in the recent hectic time, I tend to close up and snap...
somethings are there which we aren't able to discuss....
but this saying made me question all
"When you were a baby, your mother understood all your needs from hunger to being held but as you grow up you say she doesn't understand"

I guess we all need to slow down a bit!

Anonymous said...

na na...
You can run forever!!
There's always the option of buying more vodka and sleeping even more :)

Anonymous said...

On a more serious note, I believe that yes! there's always that awkwardness in that parent-us relationship esp in these 20-something years. The culture n all has evolved a hell lot. India has amreekanised so much, but the folks here continue to treat their children as teenagers until they're well settled, married and probably parents of two :).

It's so weird but almost everyone our age lives in 2 different worlds - 80% of that world being made up of friends, and colleagues and probably 20% made up of the family. Its not surprising that this is THE first blog post (along with Arnav's) written exclusively about someone's relationship with her/his parents. This is the extent to which we tend to keep the 2 world unconnected.

Anyways, on a less serious and more of the normal me note, I believe that if one is spontaneous enough, its rather easy to remove these distances. Parents don't have social circles as big as us, and we are their topmost priorities. All we need to be is a bit more verbal whenever we mean that I Love You Mom(/Dad). After all, it ain't so tough to be happy and keep everyone around you happy too!!

Baaki with regards to relationships with others, I don't really feel that one must adjust to anyone's eccentricities. All relationships have a sufficient buffer which allows for such uncertainties. If you zoom out and look at any relationship retrospectively, you'd hardly observe any eccentricities probably.

Anonymous said...

:)
:)
lol no absolute statements, and a allowance for vagaries of life and people ........ :D

Shantanu said...

I can relate with most of the part of this post, being the eldest in the family comes with many responsibilities. With the family and relatives always looking / observing you, I know you can never be on your own. Then growing up fast, yes I think this happened with me, and I never thought about it until today :-). You are expected to become a sort of role model for the younger brother / sister and in turn you find ouit some years later, that the younger one is just your brother / sister, but you wanted a friend :-( . I feel caged at home, not that I dont want to go home, but this happens I guess with each of us, that once we reach there, we eat , sleep, and eat more. and then in a matter of 3 days we are bored, I start missing bangalore, my office and my life.

Sometimes this does ring an alarm in me, does this mean that I cant stay with family anymore, but I guess I don't want to think / answer this question right now.

As far as confiding in our parents goes, no even I don't do that. The two main reasons for it are:
- I don't want to trouble them
- I love them, and love them like anything, but then again that friendship is not there.

There is a code of conduct that you are supposed to follow with your parents, younger brother / sister. And while we are following this code of conduct, we develop some relationships, which become really strong, so strong that you can actually share your deep dark secrets with them.

I hope I will take the learning forward, and this wont happen with my kids :-) Thats the most I can say

Shantanu

Phoenix said...

[anand]
Sad, sort of..

[aditi]
IT's not really a question of them not capable of understanding, it's just that as we go on, the differences in thought processes of parents and children become so different and so difficult to comprehend from each other, that they're best kept isolated from each other for the sake of peace, but this also begins to result in a distancing at the wrong places. It isn't something ajkal ki generation is doing either, everyone growing up has had those complexes. Cases like mine happen I think when this distancing begins early and communication is less in the formative yrs. Now they try and I try, but our comfort zones are o\too far established that budgign any more will nt less us be th epeople we are...

Phoenix said...

[:)]
For once I feel proud of you (for a change) and find myself agreeing with ur craziness :P (I hope that doesnt mean I'm becoming as screwed as you :P lol)

On your serious note, this paradox of our times is brilliant isn't it...that our problems and our pride come for the same hybrid character of the Indian culture of today. We are proud of our close knit families, lasting relations, protective parents and caring neighbours, yet conflict the same things. Like we derive security from the fact that even if we're thirty, we could go to dad, discuss financial/emotional issues and let him solve it, and yet we dont wanna be treated as kidss...

No wonder our worlds split! And there u gave me the third concrete theme of my book. Love u! :P

And I like your like-you note too...maybe being a little more expresive with the good things will help tremendously.

**If you zoom out and look at any relationship retrospectively, you'd hardly observe any eccentricities probably.

This coming from YOU...the super-stubborn super-eccentric guy who calls me 100 times more eccentric than himself :O and sopends eons fighting over that eccentricity?
Ironic isn't it?

Phoenix said...

[anon]
Well..lucky day of urs...sometimes I'm not all rude n weird :P

[shantanu]
Travelling in the same boat more or less, and I do hope al this makes you an awesome father to ur kid. Your reasons for not sharing problems with them is exactly the same as mine...I just dont want to bother them as much as I cdm, esp in situations where they cdnt just do smthing and fix it, bt would have to stick to gyan advice n bear pain with us.

Anonymous said...

:) yes, lucky.
but i am accustomed to your normal self ;) and dont you make up for such lapses afterwards ? :)

Phoenix said...

It;s not a lapse by any stretch of imagination...it's just a privilege carefully periodically provided to people, like bonus. You've got them before too...

aditya said...

the thing to take from ur post essentially then is that i should start reading calvin again ! :)

kayal said...
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kayal said...

Darakht aksar jab bada hota hain
zamin se juda hota hain,
par kismat ka khel dekhiye
juda hokar bhi jooda hota hain...

Metallica bhakt! said...

Inspite of the fact that I stay with them..quite recently,mom calls me during evenings saying I was living in a lodge..We have friends to share everything but at times we tend to forget that they indeed have seen more monsoons than us!It does at times though..coz even though we might not talk to them,they always want us to talk to them and tel them about whats happenin in our lives.. well someday we might understand them!

daman said...

felt somewhat connected to this post of your's , so i also wrote something similar , hope there would be no copyright issues :)

Phoenix said...

[amedury]
Definitely! without doubt or delay...

[kayal]
Bahut khoob, aur bahut sahi
shayad yehi zindagi hai..

[metallica bhakt]
Read your post...you're right..lets hope we get some sense n we both get some understanding...u know i sometimes wonder abt the future generations..these days gen gaps exist in less than ten yrs..

[daman kohli]
Read your post, nicely said too...feels good i am not all alone!